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Is betrayal impossible with true love?
How do you know for sure?
Is betrayal, part of true love?
How can they exist together, being extreme opposites.
Does true love die when one betrays the other.
Was it really true love?
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2 Jul
Love versus Betrayal
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Posted by Marty on July 2, 2022 at 2:04 pm
Betrayal is far more insidious for abused kids.
We feel the damage to our core
Our behavior changes as we trust others less and less
Posted by rudid96 on July 2, 2022 at 4:00 pm
Abused kids usually walk around with an invisible antenna that’s ever-ready to pick up all kinds of abusive signals. Some ignore those signals and return to the familiar abusive cycle. Others, spend their lives running and hiding. Fewer still learn to use the super power wisely.
Posted by Marty on July 2, 2022 at 4:03 pm
How many heal is my question
How many have a life close to normal
How many trust?
How many quit avoiding
Posted by Don't Lose Hope on July 2, 2022 at 11:40 pm
Good questions … and I don’t know the answers to them.
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 12:46 am
Thanks for the honesty
You have been stung by betrayal
It never quite goes away.
It’s always there deep down wondering about every relationship
You can never unring that bell
Thanks again for your input
Posted by Don't Lose Hope on July 3, 2022 at 1:05 am
No, you can never unring that bell. A good description, Marty.
Posted by Val Boyko on July 3, 2022 at 12:53 pm
True love is when we no longer feel separate.
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 1:00 pm
Interesting
I have to claim ignorance
I have never felt that way
So not feeling separate eliminates the chance of betrayal?
Posted by Val Boyko on July 3, 2022 at 1:03 pm
When you feel as one, there cannot be betrayal. True love may not be possible with an other human as most of us see ourselves as separate beings.
Posted by Val Boyko on July 3, 2022 at 1:05 pm
…. and as humans we all have wounds of the heart that we protect by keeping ourselves separate.
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 1:11 pm
How do you feel as one?
As a young man I thought true love existed until one night of public betrayal on campus
I learned the hard way
I only control me, but I have no control over a mate
So true love may not be possible
Abused kids lack trust so finding another human for true love is near impossible
My opinion
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 1:12 pm
I agree
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 1:13 pm
Have you experienced true love
And did it last
Posted by Val Boyko on July 3, 2022 at 1:23 pm
With an other person, love can last but it changes over time. It’s only a reflection of a yearning that is deep within us all, the yearning to be loved unconditionally. True love is the way of spirituality. Finding the loving source within you, that is beyond the pain and trauma of the heart. When we connect to this place of peace, we begin to see it around us, and in others. A spiritual psychotherapist is a great resource and freind on this journey. I follow the work of John J Prendergast, and before that, John Welwood. I’d recommend “Perfect Love, Imperfect Relationships”
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 1:24 pm
I will check them out
Thank you
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 1:29 pm
I know the portal is through the heart
My kundalini practice is an attempt to open mine
Posted by Val Boyko on July 3, 2022 at 1:31 pm
Yes – energy work plays an important part for releasing inner blockages and scars. 🙏
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 1:31 pm
Reading some John J Prendergast
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 2:16 pm
Just bought deep heart
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 2:17 pm
I have Pendergast other book
In Touch
Posted by Val Boyko on July 3, 2022 at 9:07 pm
I fell in love with In Touch some time ago. It really resonated with me and my yoga practice. The Deep Heart is so insightful and practical. I did a couple of online meditation and self inquiry retreats with John during the pandemic. It was so supportive and a nice group of people. You can find out what he’s up to on his website.
listeningfromsilence.com
Posted by Val Boyko on July 3, 2022 at 9:09 pm
Public betrayal brings a lot of shame and deep distrust in yourself and others. This must have been so hard. John Prendergast talks a lot about shame and self worth and breaking into the heart space.
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 11:53 pm
Not easy
Posted by Marty on July 3, 2022 at 11:54 pm
I am going to revisit that book